The Book of Nine Swords

[galaga]

I noticed while perusing this recent acquisition of mine that the failed to give their core classes base HD so to correct this oversight I went and reverse engineered their HD from the Sample Chars they presented. calculations and results are as follows:

Example Crusader HD 4 con mod +2 averaged HP 29
29-8 con mod = 21- 8 (do not question it, I tested this with 10 (Paladin) and 6 and resulting average was too high and too low respectively) = 13 / 2 remaining HD yields average of 4.3 repeating (closest to average I managed a 10 yields 3.6 repeating (average for d10 is 5.5) and a 6 yields an average of 5 when average for d6 is 3.5)

Example Sword Sage HD 6 con mod +3 averaged HP 49
49 - 18 con mod = 31 - 8 = 23/5 = 4.6 aprox average for d8

Example Warblade HD 5 con mod +4 averaged HP 53
53 - 20 con mod = 33 - 10 = 23/4 = 5.75 aprox average for a d10
now there are those of you who claimed a Warblade gets a d12
that formula works out as follows
53 - 20 con mod = 33 - 12 = 21/4 = 5.25 1.25 below average d12 and farther then the .25 discrepancy from a d10

I can see where the assumption comes from though, in the description of these classes it tells you what starting age to treat them as which could have been easily extrapolated to assume it meant HD as well. the only place this assumption would be correct is with the sword sage and that seems to be merely coincidence as the crusader would have a d10 and a warblade a d12 under this assumption and the math says otherwise.

in Summation
Crusader d8
Sword Sage d8
Warblade d10

Incidentally this revelation makes the warblade more balanced as it is basically a Specialized Fighter with a smaller bonus feat list and fewer bonus feats

[landamus]

d10 Crusader pg. 10
d8 Swordsage pg. 16
d12 Warblade pg. 21

[galaga]

ahhh. there it is at the top of Table for the classes. an odd place for it.

[Sargon]

if i had read this earlyer it would have said the same thing.

in the tomb of magic, that is the same place they put the HD there too.
at the bottom of the charcter class introduction was an odd enough place to put it like they did in the PH, but we all knew to look for it there. now they changed it (at least in these books) so all the information (includeing the skills) at presented on one table.

while different i find it kidna nice.

[Sargon]

alright i have a question reguarding the book of nine swords and disipline restrictions.

there are only a few dicipilines avaible to each class. but i think within a class someone can chose any disipline that they have avaible, as long as they meet the restrictions.

so if a class have 5 disiplines avaible to him. he can chose a manuver from each of the five disiplines he he wants.

so is that correct? i think it might be. beacuse if you look on page 26 you see an example of the warblade, and in his stances and manuvers he has both the tiger claw, and iron heart diciplines.

so i think im right, but i havent seen it in the rules anywhere. anyone have any clerification?

[galaga]

you can choose manuvers from any disaplin avaliable to your class. I know I was the one who gave you the false information. You just have to meet the described pre requisites. the Martial Study feat is a way around this but it can only be taken thrice so you may only ever have 3 manuvers from the 'restricted' disiplines

[Sargon]

well i dont think you originally said it to me, you definately added to my confusion. but there were other sources i looked at that didnt rightly know eather.