Fearun is over populated

[Sargon]

here is the Population Chart out of the Epic Level Handbook. i choose the epic level handbook beacuse it is exactly like the one in the DMG with the expection of the Planar Metropolis, which is added on the the original. i use this one beacuse it is the highest amount of population on it.

Town Size               Population         
Throp                       20-80                                                
Hamlet                     81-400                                           
Village                      401-900                              
Small town               901-2,000               
Large town              2,001-5,000
Small city                  5,001-12,000                               
large City                 12,001-25,000                             
Metropolis                25,001+                                         
Planar Metropolis     100,000+                     

now with the offical populations from the books, lets look at fearuns population, of vaiours cities

Athkatla the capital of Amn, population 118,304
Calimport the capital of calimshan population 192,795
Waterdeep population 1,347,840
Menzoberranzan population 32,000
Arrabar, population 61,012
Alaghon, population 88,704
bulalders gate population 42,000

not one of those cities is near a metropolis with the expection of Menzoberranzan. but nothing compares to the population of waterdeep, 1,327, 840. that is over a million people.

[Lord Kain]

Waterdeep is a country not a city, ok well its both.
However the COUNTRY has a population of over one million the city is 132,000

Ancient Athens had a population of over 200,000, several cities in the middle ages like France had a population of near 200,000.
Constantanople was even larger then france.

Even in the middle ages a few dozen towns had populations over 100,000 so how is faerun over populated for a high magical world that didn't have the black plague.

It doesn't matter that they have citys far above the metropolis mark. Its 25,000+ The same is true of the planar metropolis
its listed as 100,000+

Also the 3rd edition Forgotten Realms world book predates the epic level handbook.

[Sargon]

well the Epic level handbook copys the DMG, which predates the 3rd edition forgotten relams.
but yeah i knwo what your saying.

you also gave me the inresting idea of haveing a deases kill everyone in my world to explain how the biggest city is only 80,000....

ill think on it

[Lord Kain]

and the forgotten realms predates the 3rd edition DMG its fairly safe to assume they didn't increase the size of those major cities from 2nd to 3rd.

You did notice that you mistook the county of waterdeep for the city right?

[Inertial_Fey]

"well the Epic level handbook copys the DMG, which predates the 3rd edition forgotten relams.
but yeah i knwo what your saying."

The epic guide sooo does not preceed the faerun guide, thats why eleminster has "epic" levels instead of wizard levels.
Also remember that the DMG stats that a metropolis is 25,000+ so they are keeping up with the DMG

[Lord Kain]

He said the DMG predates the 3rd edition forgotten realms,

[Sargon]

not just the Forgotten realms hand book, i dont own a book that predates that. but the 3rd edition forgotten realmes it does predate.

they would never realise a book that uses rules that no one has yet.

but forgotten realms is far older then the 3E DMG, so yeah those sizes were probbly the same in the earlyer editions of forgotten realms

and waterdeep is a city-state.so where is says waterdeep, right under it is says population and that numbers is a million something. so you see how i could have been confused? but yes, i did get them confused

and i dont know how you ( fey) think they are keeping up with the DMG when it has these 2 cities.
Athkatla the capital of Amn, population 118,304
Calimport the capital of calimshan population 192,795

both of those have the populations of planar metropolises.

but yes, my earlyer argument of fearun is overpopulated might not be totally correct. it still has too many people for my likeing. but fearun is in a more advanced time then the other settins like grayhawk ( i belive ) and sure enough nightkord isnt as advanced as fearun. Terra narra i think is more advanced then fearun

[Inertial_Fey]

Faerun does exist in a time where things are relatively peaceful at the time.
But you also should realize that cities now a day have millions of people living it them, look at newyork city.

[Sargon]

your right of corse that new york has more people in it that propply all of fearun, but new york is a modern city. eather way fearun is doing pretty good for itself.

i wonder if we can get the Infant mortality rate and the percentage of people in fearun that are literate, that would help our comparsion.

[landamus]

Some cities populations through the ages:
London - 12th century - 12,000 -- height of the Roman Empire - 45,000
Athens - at it's height - 300,000 (including it's suburbs)
Rome - at it's height - 450,000-3,500,000 (1-2 million being popular among historians)
I was thinking that the cities of Faerun were too large as well, but with context like this it does give a good perspective.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Athens
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome

[Master Spellblade]

With all the land there, it really isn't over populated. Those cities are really tall and deep.

Feh, like people would be stupid enough to heal diseases from sick children increasing the poplulation greatly.

[Lord Kain]

Which is a good point, you would have clerics healing diseases and stuff. The complete divine gives the good ground rules.
If the person will get better on there own, they get charged money. (or if a costly material component is involved)
The clerics dont' waste spells on adventures who wander in after clearing out the forest of orcs. If the adventures made it back to town they'll live. They want to save there spells for an emergency.